1 00:00:24,679 --> 00:00:22,640 I want to ban these things this is just 2 00:00:27,380 --> 00:00:24,689 the shank end of medicine when I can 3 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:27,390 pick up a device allegedly hold it in my 4 00:00:35,299 --> 00:00:30,930 hand and as it says here cure cancer all 5 00:00:39,020 --> 00:00:35,309 types pathogen hiv/aids hip viruses and 6 00:00:42,260 --> 00:00:39,030 all the seasons that's nonsense they 7 00:00:45,020 --> 00:00:42,270 need to be stopped we intend to stop I 8 00:00:49,850 --> 00:00:45,030 frankly am staggered when i began to 9 00:00:52,130 --> 00:00:49,860 inquire about the range of bogus claims 10 00:00:54,740 --> 00:00:52,140 for health cures that are in the 11 00:00:57,470 --> 00:00:54,750 marketplace they're out there because 12 00:00:59,810 --> 00:00:57,480 frankly there are vultures who are 13 00:01:01,729 --> 00:00:59,820 preying on people's fears their 14 00:01:05,030 --> 00:01:01,739 anxieties when they're at their most on 15 00:01:11,090 --> 00:01:05,040 when they're sick and when you look at 16 00:01:14,660 --> 00:01:11,100 this array of hoppers you see just how 17 00:01:18,020 --> 00:01:14,670 vulnerable some people can be when i can 18 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:18,030 buy for a hundred dollars a budget 19 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:21,810 together part of a toy from tandy back 20 00:01:26,570 --> 00:01:23,370 together with a couple of bits of copper 21 00:01:29,359 --> 00:01:26,580 pipe & a 9 volt battery and be told that 22 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:29,369 will cure AIDS or cancer you start to 23 00:01:34,820 --> 00:01:31,770 wonder where these people scruples 24 00:01:37,430 --> 00:01:34,830 really are the Therapeutic Goods 25 00:01:40,190 --> 00:01:37,440 Administration generally controls 26 00:01:42,289 --> 00:01:40,200 products coming into the market but they 27 00:01:44,390 --> 00:01:42,299 control them in the context of them not 28 00:01:47,570 --> 00:01:44,400 causing harm well this might kill you 29 00:01:49,730 --> 00:01:47,580 but it's not going to kill you the a 30 00:01:51,890 --> 00:01:49,740 trip will see the healthcare Complaints 31 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:51,900 Commission earlier this year conducted a 32 00:01:57,830 --> 00:01:54,450 sweep of the websites offer offering 33 00:02:00,710 --> 00:01:57,840 miracle cures they're on the increase 77 34 00:02:03,140 --> 00:02:00,720 sites in New South Wales alone and I 35 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:03,150 want to make sure that we are not going 36 00:02:06,890 --> 00:02:04,650 to let people slip through the net 37 00:02:09,740 --> 00:02:06,900 before severe loopholes of legislation 38 00:02:11,029 --> 00:02:09,750 or the absence of regulation today I can 39 00:02:13,100 --> 00:02:11,039 announce therefore that I've appointed 40 00:02:16,039 --> 00:02:13,110 professor john dwyer to head up a team 41 00:02:18,170 --> 00:02:16,049 who will oversee a full review of all 42 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:18,180 legislation and regulations when it 43 00:02:24,090 --> 00:02:20,730 comes to the production of these bogus 44 00:02:27,660 --> 00:02:24,100 toys that promise false hope and 45 00:02:29,130 --> 00:02:27,670 excuse you can't do anything other than 46 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:29,140 do that but we're going to stamp these 47 00:02:33,780 --> 00:02:31,450 out and we'll do it properly by 48 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:33,790 legislating where necessary regulating 49 00:02:38,010 --> 00:02:36,130 where appropriate and of course making 50 00:02:39,690 --> 00:02:38,020 sure the rest of the Commonwealth 51 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:39,700 through that help business council 52 00:02:45,030 --> 00:02:42,730 follows our lead I had thought that 53 00:02:46,380 --> 00:02:45,040 probably what I would see today when I 54 00:02:48,660 --> 00:02:46,390 asked for these implements to be brought 55 00:02:51,270 --> 00:02:48,670 in with things that were less 56 00:02:54,690 --> 00:02:51,280 confrontational when you see something 57 00:02:57,860 --> 00:02:54,700 of this nature for a hundred bucks a 58 00:03:01,200 --> 00:02:57,870 promise for a cure for AIDS a promise 59 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:01,210 for a cure for hep-c a promise for a 60 00:03:06,870 --> 00:03:04,330 cure for cancer it is just wrong and 61 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:06,880 needs to be stopped we will stop it John 62 00:03:09,780 --> 00:03:08,530 can I just ask you to talk about some of 63 00:03:12,390 --> 00:03:09,790 the detail this is there one of your 64 00:03:15,570 --> 00:03:12,400 passions for a long time yes thank you 65 00:03:18,900 --> 00:03:15,580 Minister I mean people before us here we 66 00:03:22,890 --> 00:03:18,910 have this is as Craig said this one's 67 00:03:26,010 --> 00:03:22,900 made up from a mostly available toy you 68 00:03:28,290 --> 00:03:26,020 have more sophisticated models logging 69 00:03:30,270 --> 00:03:28,300 models that are available for four 70 00:03:32,100 --> 00:03:30,280 hundred and fifty dollars and actually 71 00:03:33,420 --> 00:03:32,110 range up to big machines with computers 72 00:03:36,900 --> 00:03:33,430 attached to them to sixteen or seventeen 73 00:03:38,460 --> 00:03:36,910 hundred dollars you know we've all had a 74 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:38,470 terrible problem recently with the 75 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:40,210 meningococcal disease we do not 76 00:03:44,490 --> 00:03:42,610 unfortunately have a vaccine against all 77 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:44,500 the different types of ninja caucus and 78 00:03:48,900 --> 00:03:46,810 unfortunately people die and will 79 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:48,910 continue to die until we can get a 80 00:03:54,300 --> 00:03:51,610 proper vaccine how cruel therefore to 81 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:54,310 have homeopathic preparations claiming 82 00:04:01,020 --> 00:03:57,730 to be vaccines against all sorts of all 83 00:04:06,620 --> 00:04:01,030 sorts of infections hepatitis B 84 00:04:10,500 --> 00:04:06,630 hepatitis C all types of a ninja cocci 85 00:04:13,890 --> 00:04:10,510 tuberculosis malaria available and 86 00:04:17,190 --> 00:04:13,900 foisted on the public of course the big 87 00:04:18,780 --> 00:04:17,200 question is have come in 2002 in the 88 00:04:20,730 --> 00:04:18,790 most scientific at all ages 89 00:04:22,620 --> 00:04:20,740 sort of thing can happen there's a 90 00:04:24,810 --> 00:04:22,630 little microscope here that sold to 91 00:04:27,060 --> 00:04:24,820 consumers to women in particular that 92 00:04:31,830 --> 00:04:27,070 says basically a do-it-yourself pap 93 00:04:34,710 --> 00:04:31,840 smear machine which test says claims 94 00:04:37,380 --> 00:04:34,720 that women can detect changes dangerous 95 00:04:41,850 --> 00:04:37,390 changes in their secretions and replace 96 00:04:43,860 --> 00:04:41,860 a pap smear total nonsense and we could 97 00:04:46,830 --> 00:04:43,870 go on and on because there is an endless 98 00:04:48,840 --> 00:04:46,840 array of bogus devices the most 99 00:04:50,850 --> 00:04:48,850 sophisticated expensive ones are offered 100 00:04:53,580 --> 00:04:50,860 by alternative laboratories of which 101 00:04:55,350 --> 00:04:53,590 there are a number where they will 102 00:04:58,770 --> 00:04:55,360 completely relieve you of hundreds of 103 00:05:00,000 --> 00:04:58,780 dollars for these these bogus tests now 104 00:05:01,650 --> 00:05:00,010 I suppose from my point of view as a 105 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:01,660 doctor who looks after people with 106 00:05:07,410 --> 00:05:03,730 chronic conditions sometimes incurable 107 00:05:09,030 --> 00:05:07,420 conditions I've become interested and 108 00:05:11,580 --> 00:05:09,040 worried about it over the last few years 109 00:05:13,170 --> 00:05:11,590 and have answered for myself this 110 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:13,180 question yes this doesn't really matter 111 00:05:20,340 --> 00:05:16,330 i mean with any sensible person for for 112 00:05:22,790 --> 00:05:20,350 this sort of nonsense but in my clinical 113 00:05:25,350 --> 00:05:22,800 practice I've seen judges doctors 114 00:05:27,330 --> 00:05:25,360 scientists with cancer so advanced 115 00:05:30,500 --> 00:05:27,340 cancer desperate and pro hope and 116 00:05:32,970 --> 00:05:30,510 someone offers them false hope and 117 00:05:35,010 --> 00:05:32,980 they'll say well I maybe I'd better give 118 00:05:37,260 --> 00:05:35,020 it a go people suspend their normal 119 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:37,270 common sense when they're extremely 120 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:42,370 vulnerable in pain worried desperate 121 00:05:47,150 --> 00:05:44,530 it's not not to exaggeration in 122 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:47,160 automotive exaggeration now surely as a 123 00:05:53,310 --> 00:05:50,050 society that values consumer protection 124 00:05:55,980 --> 00:05:53,320 we want to protect people from this sort 125 00:05:58,020 --> 00:05:55,990 of thing you may have heard was quite a 126 00:06:00,060 --> 00:05:58,030 bit of publicity recently about little 127 00:06:02,310 --> 00:06:00,070 baby that was born with terrible 128 00:06:04,140 --> 00:06:02,320 congenital heart disease if the baby was 129 00:06:06,690 --> 00:06:04,150 not rated on the first three weeks of 130 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:06,700 life the baby would definitely die the 131 00:06:12,180 --> 00:06:08,530 cardiac cardiac surgeons inform the 132 00:06:14,130 --> 00:06:12,190 parents of this a naturopath said after 133 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:14,140 using one of these bogus diagnostic 134 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:16,330 machines that some South African hopes 135 00:06:20,690 --> 00:06:18,490 could cure the baby treated the baby 136 00:06:25,380 --> 00:06:20,700 pronounced the baby cured the baby died 137 00:06:27,129 --> 00:06:25,390 now the we have had in recent times 138 00:06:28,929 --> 00:06:27,139 wonderful cooperation of made foot 139 00:06:30,339 --> 00:06:28,939 in Fair Trading and chasing a number of 140 00:06:32,020 --> 00:06:30,349 people have been making false and 141 00:06:33,969 --> 00:06:32,030 fraudulent claims but there are 142 00:06:36,939 --> 00:06:33,979 literally thousands of these claims out 143 00:06:38,950 --> 00:06:36,949 there and really we want to try and look 144 00:06:40,330 --> 00:06:38,960 at how we can protect consumers by 145 00:06:43,029 --> 00:06:40,340 stopping this thing before it gets 146 00:06:45,309 --> 00:06:43,039 started we don't want people to be able 147 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:45,319 to take your money claim to be a health 148 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:47,210 professional and give you dangerous 149 00:06:52,809 --> 00:06:49,849 bogus de Vaca advice and use these sort 150 00:06:54,850 --> 00:06:52,819 of devices so it's serious issue and I'd 151 00:06:56,649 --> 00:06:54,860 like to congratulate the government for 152 00:06:58,179 --> 00:06:56,659 taking this on is a someone is 153 00:07:01,779 --> 00:06:58,189 barricading that for this for some time 154 00:07:03,909 --> 00:07:01,789 must say that in my past experience this 155 00:07:05,469 --> 00:07:03,919 has often been put by politicians in the 156 00:07:08,050 --> 00:07:05,479 too hard basket vote at the state and 157 00:07:11,980 --> 00:07:08,060 federal level as far as I know this will 158 00:07:14,589 --> 00:07:11,990 be a first in Australia and speaking on 159 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:14,599 behalf of so many colleagues clinicians 160 00:07:18,969 --> 00:07:16,490 doctors nurses our job professionals 161 00:07:20,409 --> 00:07:18,979 concerned about this I think we're all 162 00:07:21,820 --> 00:07:20,419 very grateful that we're going to have 163 00:07:23,559 --> 00:07:21,830 the opportunity to see if we can't 164 00:07:28,059 --> 00:07:23,569 improve consumer protection in this area 165 00:07:29,409 --> 00:07:28,069 I like yo mando Adrian well the 166 00:07:33,579 --> 00:07:29,419 healthcare complaints commission was set 167 00:07:35,309 --> 00:07:33,589 up in 1993 are primarily to protect and 168 00:07:38,950 --> 00:07:35,319 promote consumer rights so the 169 00:07:42,519 --> 00:07:38,960 Commission applauds any opportunity to 170 00:07:44,279 --> 00:07:42,529 achieve that in and certainly there have 171 00:07:47,649 --> 00:07:44,289 been areas in our policy legislation 172 00:07:50,740 --> 00:07:47,659 that there are gaps to enable this sort 173 00:07:54,700 --> 00:07:50,750 of therapy and device to be available to 174 00:07:56,350 --> 00:07:54,710 consumers and certainly if you look at 175 00:07:58,899 --> 00:07:56,360 the other Smith's for thee as you can 176 00:08:02,040 --> 00:07:58,909 see why people can be hoodwinked the 177 00:08:06,790 --> 00:08:02,050 information that's provided is verbose 178 00:08:09,129 --> 00:08:06,800 lengthy and I guess gives the effect of 179 00:08:11,950 --> 00:08:09,139 promoting science and the scientific 180 00:08:14,290 --> 00:08:11,960 basis for them if we can make sure that 181 00:08:16,809 --> 00:08:14,300 the efficacy and safety of these devices 182 00:08:18,850 --> 00:08:16,819 and therapies can be tested before they 183 00:08:21,339 --> 00:08:18,860 become available to consumers the 184 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:21,349 Commission certain would support that 185 00:08:26,309 --> 00:08:23,930 and applauds also the opportunity to 186 00:08:29,550 --> 00:08:26,319 look at where the gaps in barriers to 187 00:08:32,700 --> 00:08:29,560 consumer safety and system 188 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:32,710 Christian who's doing you take crackdown 189 00:08:36,300 --> 00:08:34,330 and how do you find these things and 190 00:08:39,149 --> 00:08:36,310 then when we do want to be found what's 191 00:08:42,180 --> 00:08:39,159 part be John's task over the next six 192 00:08:45,269 --> 00:08:42,190 months as he undertakes the review but 193 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:45,279 clearly the initial scan by the a triple 194 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:48,930 choc identified a number of websites 195 00:08:52,950 --> 00:08:51,010 marketing is sort of material upon 196 00:08:54,390 --> 00:08:52,960 starting point there are people who 197 00:08:56,430 --> 00:08:54,400 advertise in the newspapers will be 198 00:08:58,079 --> 00:08:56,440 conducting a four of you I guess the 199 00:09:01,079 --> 00:08:58,089 message to anybody offering this sort of 200 00:09:02,700 --> 00:09:01,089 this sort of rubbish is we're going to 201 00:09:04,950 --> 00:09:02,710 check you out we're going to check out 202 00:09:06,990 --> 00:09:04,960 whether there's any clinical benefit in 203 00:09:09,510 --> 00:09:07,000 the claims you mate and if there's not 204 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:09,520 we'll close it out and it's as simple as 205 00:09:15,660 --> 00:09:12,610 that I just think it's obscene that with 206 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:15,670 the Saturday morning shopping trip to 207 00:09:23,850 --> 00:09:19,210 tandy you can market an HIV or a or a 208 00:09:26,100 --> 00:09:23,860 cancer cure and I'm staggered that that 209 00:09:27,990 --> 00:09:26,110 these devices exist and I intend to 210 00:09:31,019 --> 00:09:28,000 close than that what's the high note 211 00:09:35,250 --> 00:09:31,029 people will be building a penalty raging 212 00:09:36,870 --> 00:09:35,260 it will be strong i don't know i'll see 213 00:09:39,540 --> 00:09:36,880 what John delivers but I think the 214 00:09:41,970 --> 00:09:39,550 message to the community is don't fall 215 00:09:44,430 --> 00:09:41,980 for this sort of nonsense I think 216 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:44,440 clearly there are two got to be to 217 00:09:49,620 --> 00:09:47,530 tactics here first of all we will look 218 00:09:50,670 --> 00:09:49,630 at ways better educating the public to 219 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:50,680 protect them so they can protect 220 00:09:55,680 --> 00:09:53,170 themselves we've got creams here for 221 00:09:57,570 --> 00:09:55,690 example but people are selling saying 222 00:09:59,250 --> 00:09:57,580 they can if you rub this on a peculiar 223 00:10:05,460 --> 00:09:59,260 melanoma we know in Australia melanomas 224 00:10:07,860 --> 00:10:05,470 a terrible cancer and this we want to be 225 00:10:09,780 --> 00:10:07,870 able to try and help people while we're 226 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:09,790 trying to work out how to ban these and 227 00:10:15,329 --> 00:10:12,730 banish these things from from the sale 228 00:10:17,250 --> 00:10:15,339 we want to Connecticut consumers so they 229 00:10:18,810 --> 00:10:17,260 can protect themselves or a creams here 230 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:18,820 to accuse the claiming to be able to 231 00:10:23,430 --> 00:10:21,490 cure breast cancer finding these things 232 00:10:25,290 --> 00:10:23,440 is easy you can know practically any 233 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:25,300 magazine you open up 2day popular 234 00:10:29,790 --> 00:10:27,370 magazine where we will have three or 235 00:10:31,890 --> 00:10:29,800 four offensive false advertisements 236 00:10:33,630 --> 00:10:31,900 asking for money listen to this type of 237 00:10:36,070 --> 00:10:33,640 night and change of brainwaves forever 238 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:36,080 and and you'll never suffer from anxiety 239 00:10:45,190 --> 00:10:39,730 again take this tonic for this and that 240 00:10:47,290 --> 00:10:45,200 there's a blatant advertising of this 241 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:47,300 sort of material and this sort of bogus 242 00:10:52,330 --> 00:10:50,330 device in many many sources we are 243 00:10:54,220 --> 00:10:52,340 planning to set up for our committee a 244 00:10:56,980 --> 00:10:54,230 hotline that people can call us in and 245 00:10:58,510 --> 00:10:56,990 tell us about things that have concerned 246 00:11:00,880 --> 00:10:58,520 them where they may have felt they've 247 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:00,890 been ripped off by one of these these 248 00:11:06,730 --> 00:11:03,610 shonky so-called health professionals 249 00:11:10,660 --> 00:11:06,740 but education and then trying to change 250 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:10,670 the situation around so that those 251 00:11:15,370 --> 00:11:12,650 people who want to put any of these 252 00:11:17,680 --> 00:11:15,380 things on the market have placed on them 253 00:11:21,430 --> 00:11:17,690 the same home onus of proof that's 254 00:11:23,560 --> 00:11:21,440 placed on Orthodox medical scientists if 255 00:11:25,270 --> 00:11:23,570 you wanted to mount market say a new 256 00:11:26,560 --> 00:11:25,280 antihistamine epic major drug company 257 00:11:28,510 --> 00:11:26,570 wanted to market a new antihistamine 258 00:11:31,560 --> 00:11:28,520 they would have to spend millions of 259 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:31,570 dollars preparing the proof convince 260 00:11:35,860 --> 00:11:33,650 Australian drug evaluation committee 261 00:11:38,950 --> 00:11:35,870 others that they had a good product in 262 00:11:42,070 --> 00:11:38,960 this this thing we want to put the 263 00:11:43,870 --> 00:11:42,080 burden of proof back onto the people who 264 00:11:45,700 --> 00:11:43,880 make these outrageous claims and if they 265 00:11:48,390 --> 00:11:45,710 can't convince an appropriately expert 266 00:11:51,130 --> 00:11:48,400 committee they simply won't be able to 267 00:11:52,900 --> 00:11:51,140 Jamaica these things you're with those 268 00:11:54,490 --> 00:11:52,910 products are dodgy and you say they're 269 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:54,500 false and then make misleading health 270 00:12:01,000 --> 00:11:56,210 claims why can't you take action out 271 00:12:03,610 --> 00:12:01,010 what is there to review you can you can 272 00:12:06,430 --> 00:12:03,620 take action against false claims and a 273 00:12:09,670 --> 00:12:06,440 Triple C and fair trading have and I've 274 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:09,680 been involved with some of those but 275 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:11,090 there's a number of problems first of 276 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:14,090 all that's after the event and like we 277 00:12:18,100 --> 00:12:15,530 saw with the tragic story of the little 278 00:12:20,470 --> 00:12:18,110 baby that died from heart disease the 279 00:12:22,150 --> 00:12:20,480 question you'd have to ask there is is 280 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:22,160 how could that happen we want a 281 00:12:26,260 --> 00:12:24,410 situation where someone can't use a 282 00:12:28,510 --> 00:12:26,270 bogus device tell parents that they've 283 00:12:31,260 --> 00:12:28,520 cured their childhood of major heart 284 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:31,270 disease chasing after that person 285 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:34,130 penalizing them even Jones not going to 286 00:12:38,950 --> 00:12:36,770 help those parents and that baby the 287 00:12:41,260 --> 00:12:38,960 second issue is that we have it at the 288 00:12:45,129 --> 00:12:41,270 moment a situation where even if a 289 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:45,139 particular bogus device is 290 00:12:49,479 --> 00:12:47,689 is brought to the attention of a court 291 00:12:51,819 --> 00:12:49,489 and the court might find us has happened 292 00:12:54,549 --> 00:12:51,829 recently a naturopath using a technique 293 00:12:57,369 --> 00:12:54,559 called live blood analysis that doesn't 294 00:12:59,349 --> 00:12:57,379 stop the hundred needy other outlets 295 00:13:00,789 --> 00:12:59,359 using the same device from continuing to 296 00:13:04,239 --> 00:13:00,799 use of the judgment is against the 297 00:13:06,879 --> 00:13:04,249 person not against the bogus device so 298 00:13:09,789 --> 00:13:06,889 there are a number of loopholes but the 299 00:13:11,470 --> 00:13:09,799 major emphasis we we hope the major 300 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:11,480 emphasis then our work I hope will be 301 00:13:17,019 --> 00:13:13,850 education and swinging around if 302 00:13:20,079 --> 00:13:17,029 necessary through legislation to putting 303 00:13:21,609 --> 00:13:20,089 the onus of proof back on to the people 304 00:13:24,039 --> 00:13:21,619 of the making these outrageous claims 305 00:13:27,039 --> 00:13:24,049 birds magic water or vaccine it gives it 306 00:13:29,139 --> 00:13:27,049 here's a device that promises on program 307 00:13:30,789 --> 00:13:29,149 to to deal with aids and on program 308 00:13:32,919 --> 00:13:30,799 three build cancer because of the 309 00:13:34,329 --> 00:13:32,929 different frequencies that emits through 310 00:13:37,689 --> 00:13:34,339 these pads that you strap on to your 311 00:13:41,650 --> 00:13:37,699 liver and display well this doesn't mean 312 00:13:44,199 --> 00:13:41,660 to go near the TGA the AFS we could 313 00:13:46,119 --> 00:13:44,209 certainly pursue it but it's out there 314 00:13:48,699 --> 00:13:46,129 we want to make sure anybody wanted to 315 00:13:50,439 --> 00:13:48,709 market this sort of stuff proven their 316 00:13:52,359 --> 00:13:50,449 case that it does deal with cancer and 317 00:13:54,249 --> 00:13:52,369 AIDS before it gets into the marketplace 318 00:13:56,439 --> 00:13:54,259 surely that's the point though I mean 319 00:13:59,439 --> 00:13:56,449 you're identifying these products now as 320 00:14:01,449 --> 00:13:59,449 having a potentially deadly in fact I 321 00:14:03,639 --> 00:14:01,459 mean if somebody is turning away from 322 00:14:05,710 --> 00:14:03,649 from a regular treatment using what they 323 00:14:07,329 --> 00:14:05,720 put your email so miserable surely 324 00:14:10,449 --> 00:14:07,339 surely we should be doing something now 325 00:14:12,129 --> 00:14:10,459 to protect the public well i think that 326 00:14:14,259 --> 00:14:12,139 the quickest way of protecting the 327 00:14:18,309 --> 00:14:14,269 public is to upscale our education 328 00:14:21,189 --> 00:14:18,319 efforts to warn them and to give them 329 00:14:23,789 --> 00:14:21,199 some way some information practical 330 00:14:27,609 --> 00:14:23,799 information about how they can judge a 331 00:14:28,929 --> 00:14:27,619 claims-made and in the case of people 332 00:14:32,470 --> 00:14:28,939 who are who are desperate and whose 333 00:14:34,210 --> 00:14:32,480 judgment might be clouded in my in my 334 00:14:37,989 --> 00:14:34,220 experience it's not very necessary to 335 00:14:41,249 --> 00:14:37,999 involve family members to do to have a 336 00:14:45,279 --> 00:14:41,259 rational conversation about these things 337 00:14:46,779 --> 00:14:45,289 it's not that some of these some of the 338 00:14:48,789 --> 00:14:46,789 things that are available actually 339 00:14:51,090 --> 00:14:48,799 dangerous some of the herbal 340 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:51,100 preparations that are 341 00:14:56,070 --> 00:14:53,290 actually cause people are but most are 342 00:14:58,800 --> 00:14:56,080 harmless but they they certainly in many 343 00:15:00,840 --> 00:14:58,810 cases keep people away from treatment 344 00:15:02,610 --> 00:15:00,850 that might be effective one of the 345 00:15:05,190 --> 00:15:02,620 things in my area of specialty which is 346 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:05,200 in the hiv/aids area that's really 347 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:06,850 distressed me recently is that most of 348 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:08,530 the patients I see now with AIDS now 349 00:15:12,750 --> 00:15:10,690 that we have very effective drugs our 350 00:15:15,030 --> 00:15:12,760 people who have put their faith in 351 00:15:18,900 --> 00:15:15,040 alternative practitioners in their in 352 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:18,910 their room bogus therapies and been told 353 00:15:22,620 --> 00:15:20,650 that they would not get AIDS they didn't 354 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:22,630 need these modern drugs as natural 355 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:24,610 products were better and of course have 356 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:25,930 had their immune system destroyed them 357 00:15:28,650 --> 00:15:27,250 too and up at the hospital age breaks 358 00:15:30,270 --> 00:15:28,660 your heart when you think of the fact 359 00:15:33,330 --> 00:15:30,280 that this is totally unnecessary in this 360 00:15:37,370 --> 00:15:33,340 day and age it's it's a matter of 361 00:15:39,420 --> 00:15:37,380 Education and then for these extremes 362 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:39,430 finding a way of putting the brakes on 363 00:15:43,740 --> 00:15:41,530 this on this flourishing industry 364 00:15:46,620 --> 00:15:43,750 strains are spending almost two billion 365 00:15:48,900 --> 00:15:46,630 dollars a year on on what in this most 366 00:15:51,450 --> 00:15:48,910 scientific of Ages we know is largely 367 00:15:55,830 --> 00:15:51,460 unscientific methodology and practice 368 00:15:57,690 --> 00:15:55,840 and an education campaign and we're if 369 00:16:00,150 --> 00:15:57,700 necessary some changes and legislation 370 00:16:04,020 --> 00:16:00,160 is what will be perfect there's a lot 371 00:16:06,030 --> 00:16:04,030 this long obviously a rivalry 372 00:16:08,750 --> 00:16:06,040 nothing the right word but preaching 373 00:16:12,270 --> 00:16:08,760 between alternative site of Medicine 374 00:16:15,510 --> 00:16:12,280 Orthodox won't cut the alternative sign 375 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:15,520 things he doesn't think we can the all 376 00:16:19,770 --> 00:16:17,650 time well they will turn it yet so i can 377 00:16:21,300 --> 00:16:19,780 take up we just we hear some of you may 378 00:16:25,260 --> 00:16:21,310 have covered it issued a discussion 379 00:16:27,930 --> 00:16:25,270 paper around there even 380 00:16:29,970 --> 00:16:27,940 the Chinese medicine for example this is 381 00:16:32,610 --> 00:16:29,980 down the dodgy brothers in this is the 382 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:32,620 stuff that tells you when you buy your 383 00:16:38,820 --> 00:16:35,410 buying at the cure cancer you're buying 384 00:16:43,020 --> 00:16:38,830 an to cure a is it doesn't it can't 385 00:16:47,460 --> 00:16:43,030 obviously the case and this is where 386 00:16:49,710 --> 00:16:47,470 we're the showing these sorts of snake 387 00:16:52,850 --> 00:16:49,720 oil salesman type practices that see 388 00:16:57,060 --> 00:16:52,860 people giving people false hope a 389 00:16:58,860 --> 00:16:57,070 hundred-dollar cure for cancer aid to be 390 00:17:02,700 --> 00:16:58,870 something that would take the world by 391 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:02,710 storm if it was real it's not but it 392 00:17:08,340 --> 00:17:04,690 shows you just how desperate it can be 393 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:08,350 when they sucked in by this ok just like 394 00:17:11,100 --> 00:17:09,850 that I just got my done that question 395 00:17:14,490 --> 00:17:11,110 though because it's really important I 396 00:17:16,470 --> 00:17:14,500 think that the attitude that most 397 00:17:18,750 --> 00:17:16,480 clinical scientists are taking these 398 00:17:21,290 --> 00:17:18,760 days is if there's only two types of 399 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:21,300 plants and good medicines and badness 400 00:17:25,230 --> 00:17:23,770 good medicine is practiced by doctors 401 00:17:28,050 --> 00:17:25,240 it's also practiced by a number of 402 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:28,060 natural path some people who give 403 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:29,890 perfectly sensible lifestyle advice etc 404 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:32,170 bad medicine is practiced by a lot of 405 00:17:36,360 --> 00:17:33,850 so-called alternative practitioners and 406 00:17:39,780 --> 00:17:36,370 some doctors some nurses and the like 407 00:17:42,270 --> 00:17:39,790 and one of the issues that we'll be 408 00:17:44,790 --> 00:17:42,280 looking at is whether we need to have 409 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:44,800 more power for the medical new south 410 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:46,570 wales medical board or nurses 411 00:17:53,580 --> 00:17:50,970 Registration Board etc to look at some 412 00:17:54,690 --> 00:17:53,590 health professional some doctors people 413 00:17:56,610 --> 00:17:54,700 are registered by the New South Wales 414 00:17:58,980 --> 00:17:56,620 medical board and our doctors who are 415 00:18:01,410 --> 00:17:58,990 practicing and unacceptable standards of 416 00:18:04,260 --> 00:18:01,420 medicine who have sort of given in and 417 00:18:06,390 --> 00:18:04,270 saying look we'll we'll combine these 418 00:18:08,850 --> 00:18:06,400 practices and there are a number of 419 00:18:10,470 --> 00:18:08,860 clinics in Sydney run by doctors run by 420 00:18:14,460 --> 00:18:10,480 nurses that are practicing quite 421 00:18:16,530 --> 00:18:14,470 deplorable unscientific medicine and if 422 00:18:19,350 --> 00:18:16,540 we all concentrate on what's really good 423 00:18:21,090 --> 00:18:19,360 and what's not good and look at how we 424 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:21,100 can promote what's good and help people 425 00:18:24,360 --> 00:18:22,810 avoid was bad that then we'll all 426 00:18:26,130 --> 00:18:24,370 benefit from it we need to get away from 427 00:18:29,220 --> 00:18:26,140 the whole concept of us there is an 428 00:18:30,630 --> 00:18:29,230 alternative to complementary medical 429 00:18:33,180 --> 00:18:30,640 practice out there that's quite 430 00:18:35,100 --> 00:18:33,190 different from what the dots the best of 431 00:18:37,170 --> 00:18:35,110 both needs to be combined so we're just 432 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:37,180 best practicing good medicine and 433 00:18:42,930 --> 00:18:39,250 avoiding magnets good Minister these are 434 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:42,940 so obviously useless why can't why would 435 00:18:46,770 --> 00:18:44,890 like to take off nike Nova campbell will 436 00:18:48,390 --> 00:18:46,780 and that's why we have ruled around Fair 437 00:18:50,730 --> 00:18:48,400 Trading all those things but you for 438 00:18:53,430 --> 00:18:50,740 sure the mouth of the event some for 439 00:18:56,310 --> 00:18:53,440 every is out there using this today 440 00:18:58,500 --> 00:18:56,320 thinking of it during their cancer or 441 00:19:00,840 --> 00:18:58,510 their ID maybe by watching your news 442 00:19:03,570 --> 00:19:00,850 tonight don't think twice until their 443 00:19:05,100 --> 00:19:03,580 doctor divinity time we're going to be 444 00:19:08,460 --> 00:19:05,110 all the legislation to make it so much 445 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:08,470 cover for the hungry as Elvis takers 446 00:19:11,730 --> 00:19:10,570 Anjali this is the bottom end of the 447 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:11,740 mark at the top end of the market 448 00:19:15,750 --> 00:19:13,810 involves very elaborate looking 449 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:15,760 laboratories where you go along it's 450 00:19:22,470 --> 00:19:18,010 been lots of money and have lots of 451 00:19:23,820 --> 00:19:22,480 fraudulent tests down upon you at the 452 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:23,830 top end of the market it's very well 453 00:19:29,130 --> 00:19:26,290 organized with franchised branching 454 00:19:30,930 --> 00:19:29,140 franchising of their expensive devices 455 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:30,940 often imported from Germany or somewhere 456 00:19:36,380 --> 00:19:34,090 else overturns and usually involving 457 00:19:39,510 --> 00:19:36,390 some sort of pursued us computer 458 00:19:41,610 --> 00:19:39,520 technology and in many homeopaths and 459 00:19:46,110 --> 00:19:41,620 naturopaths offices you will find these 460 00:19:48,300 --> 00:19:46,120 devices that that the people use in 461 00:19:50,340 --> 00:19:48,310 charge a lot of money for and one of the 462 00:19:52,830 --> 00:19:50,350 areas that are most distressing to me 463 00:19:55,670 --> 00:19:52,840 and to many of my colleagues is that a 464 00:19:58,470 --> 00:19:55,680 number of our private health insurance 465 00:19:59,690 --> 00:19:58,480 funds are not being at all 466 00:20:03,740 --> 00:19:59,700 discriminatory 467 00:20:07,220 --> 00:20:03,750 the things i'll pay for from the 468 00:20:09,139 --> 00:20:07,230 alternative industry and in a way that i 469 00:20:11,180 --> 00:20:09,149 presume they don't realize they're doing 470 00:20:12,950 --> 00:20:11,190 they give an imp remota a blessing if 471 00:20:16,399 --> 00:20:12,960 you like or some credibility for some of 472 00:20:19,220 --> 00:20:16,409 these some of these tests like the live 473 00:20:22,250 --> 00:20:19,230 blood analysis that was just very 474 00:20:23,750 --> 00:20:22,260 roundly criticized but in court you can 475 00:20:25,789 --> 00:20:23,760 get a rebate to suffer that from some 476 00:20:28,190 --> 00:20:25,799 private health comes private health 477 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:28,200 funds so the whole issue needs to be 478 00:20:31,639 --> 00:20:29,610 brought out in the open and examined 479 00:20:34,299 --> 00:20:31,649 thoroughly or with the view of educating 480 00:20:37,310 --> 00:20:34,309 the public and protecting the vulnerable 481 00:20:46,639 --> 00:20:37,320 this one will oh this want to fix your